Michał Dubrawski
2018-07-26 07:56:17 UTC
Hi Ben,
it is great to hear that you are working with spv output. I know that they
were changing it from version to version so it seem like quite a challenge,
but based on what challenges you have faced before when making PSPP
compatible to SPSS I'm sure you will handle it :)
CTABLES or Tables in the future will be very useful but I think that what
would be most important for students, social sicentists, psychologists,
market researchers or virtualy anyone who analyse any survey results would
be the possibility to display mrsets in one table, which could be done in
SPSS with MULT RESPONSE command. Without it PSPP wouldn't be an option to
display survey results because almost all surveys have multi response
questions. The only free alternative would be some packages in R which are
not as accessible (easy to use) as PSPP.
Any way to display MRSETS in the PSPP output would be very valuable for a
lot of people even if it would be a cross tabs extension allowing the usage
of mrsets in it or something like that. When people graduate from
psychology, sociology, social science or pedagogics departments they have
knowledge how to build a surveys - there are a lot of tools that allow them
to collect data via online surveys, but when it comes to displaying the
results in tables for the reports they all have a software problem because
many non-profits and startups cannot afford SPSS + Custom Tables licenses,
and from my experience that is exactly the software they know how to use
because of their Universities.
That said, thanks again to Ben and all the developers and all other people
involved with PSPP project - you have done tremendous work so far.
MichaÅ Dubrawski,
it is great to hear that you are working with spv output. I know that they
were changing it from version to version so it seem like quite a challenge,
but based on what challenges you have faced before when making PSPP
compatible to SPSS I'm sure you will handle it :)
CTABLES or Tables in the future will be very useful but I think that what
would be most important for students, social sicentists, psychologists,
market researchers or virtualy anyone who analyse any survey results would
be the possibility to display mrsets in one table, which could be done in
SPSS with MULT RESPONSE command. Without it PSPP wouldn't be an option to
display survey results because almost all surveys have multi response
questions. The only free alternative would be some packages in R which are
not as accessible (easy to use) as PSPP.
Any way to display MRSETS in the PSPP output would be very valuable for a
lot of people even if it would be a cross tabs extension allowing the usage
of mrsets in it or something like that. When people graduate from
psychology, sociology, social science or pedagogics departments they have
knowledge how to build a surveys - there are a lot of tools that allow them
to collect data via online surveys, but when it comes to displaying the
results in tables for the reports they all have a software problem because
many non-profits and startups cannot afford SPSS + Custom Tables licenses,
and from my experience that is exactly the software they know how to use
because of their Universities.
That said, thanks again to Ben and all the developers and all other people
involved with PSPP project - you have done tremendous work so far.
MichaÅ Dubrawski,
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 08:48:33 -0700
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Re: PSPP CTABLES
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I think it's likely that I'll change PSPP to use the same output model.
One reason that it differed until now is simply that it wasn't clear to
me how SPSS really modeled output. The documentation on it is pretty
muddy.
I've now got code that reads and understands most .spv files just fine.
I'm still working on reading the oldest kind of .spv files, which use a
really funny way to encode tables.
used it a lot. So, here we are in 2018 and I use CTABLES in SPSS, and can?t
get the hang of it, at least not much more than the basic usage of it.
Can?t stand it. I long for the old TABLES function. Not available in SPSS.
So, here?s the thing: perhaps PSPP should develop its own version of TABLES
with just the basics, without trying to emulate SPSS because they have
stuffed up something that used to be quite good.
implementation to PSPP. I read some threads (http://pspp-users.gnu.
narkive.com/r32JwdwI/what-features-of-custom-tables-
ctables-are-most-important) but they seems dead. Any suggestion?
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Re: PSPP CTABLES
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I think it's likely that I'll change PSPP to use the same output model.
One reason that it differed until now is simply that it wasn't clear to
me how SPSS really modeled output. The documentation on it is pretty
muddy.
I've now got code that reads and understands most .spv files just fine.
I'm still working on reading the oldest kind of .spv files, which use a
really funny way to encode tables.
FWIW, I'm excited that you're working on reading SPV format. I had
assumed that the implicit output model might preclude compatibility.
-Alan
Mind you, I used TABLES in SPSS in about 1990 and got to quite like it andassumed that the implicit output model might preclude compatibility.
-Alan
There might be some small hope here because I've been spending a lot of
time lately working to make PSPP understand SPSS's .spv output file
format, so that it can read (and write?) it directly. Implicit in that
format is an understanding of the SPSS output model, which seems to be
entangled quite a bit with the CTABLES syntax. It might therefore lead
someday to CTABLES implementation (but not soon).
time lately working to make PSPP understand SPSS's .spv output file
format, so that it can read (and write?) it directly. Implicit in that
format is an understanding of the SPSS output model, which seems to be
entangled quite a bit with the CTABLES syntax. It might therefore lead
someday to CTABLES implementation (but not soon).
I asked about this a few years ago. I gather it would be difficult.
used it a lot. So, here we are in 2018 and I use CTABLES in SPSS, and can?t
get the hang of it, at least not much more than the basic usage of it.
Can?t stand it. I long for the old TABLES function. Not available in SPSS.
So, here?s the thing: perhaps PSPP should develop its own version of TABLES
with just the basics, without trying to emulate SPSS because they have
stuffed up something that used to be quite good.
From: Pspp-users [mailto:pspp-users-bounces+ronald.crichton=
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2018 6:29 PM
Subject: PSPP CTABLES
Hi, I would like to ask if there is any progression in CTABLES
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2018 6:29 PM
Subject: PSPP CTABLES
Hi, I would like to ask if there is any progression in CTABLES
narkive.com/r32JwdwI/what-features-of-custom-tables-
ctables-are-most-important) but they seems dead. Any suggestion?
Kind regards
Jacob
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horrible nightmares. You feel so lost, so cut off,
so alone, only you're not. See, in all our
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the emptiness bearable, is each other."
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