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PSPP CTABLES
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Jakub Škrobánek
2018-07-24 08:29:21 UTC
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Hi, I would like to ask if there is any progression in CTABLES
implementation to PSPP. I read some threads (http://pspp-users.gnu.narkive.
com/r32JwdwI/what-features-of-custom-tables-ctables-are-most-important) but
they seems dead. Any suggestion?

Kind regards




Jacob
Ben Pfaff
2018-07-24 16:15:24 UTC
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Post by Jakub Škrobánek
Hi, I would like to ask if there is any progression in CTABLES
implementation to PSPP. I read some threads (http://pspp-users.gnu.narkive.
com/r32JwdwI/what-features-of-custom-tables-ctables-are-most-important) but
they seems dead. Any suggestion?
I don't know of anyone working on it.
Crichton, Ronald
2018-07-24 21:21:11 UTC
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I asked about this a few years ago. I gather it would be difficult. Mind you, I used TABLES in SPSS in about 1990 and got to quite like it and used it a lot. So, here we are in 2018 and I use CTABLES in SPSS, and can’t get the hang of it, at least not much more than the basic usage of it. Can’t stand it. I long for the old TABLES function. Not available in SPSS. So, here’s the thing: perhaps PSPP should develop its own version of TABLES with just the basics, without trying to emulate SPSS because they have stuffed up something that used to be quite good.

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Hi, I would like to ask if there is any progression in CTABLES implementation to PSPP. I read some threads (http://pspp-users.gnu.narkive.com/r32JwdwI/what-features-of-custom-tables-ctables-are-most-important) but they seems dead. Any suggestion?
Kind regards

Jacob

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Ben Pfaff
2018-07-24 21:30:14 UTC
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There might be some small hope here because I've been spending a lot of
time lately working to make PSPP understand SPSS's .spv output file
format, so that it can read (and write?) it directly. Implicit in that
format is an understanding of the SPSS output model, which seems to be
entangled quite a bit with the CTABLES syntax. It might therefore lead
someday to CTABLES implementation (but not soon).
I asked about this a few years ago. I gather it would be difficult. Mind you, I used TABLES in SPSS in about 1990 and got to quite like it and used it a lot. So, here we are in 2018 and I use CTABLES in SPSS, and can’t get the hang of it, at least not much more than the basic usage of it. Can’t stand it. I long for the old TABLES function. Not available in SPSS. So, here’s the thing: perhaps PSPP should develop its own version of TABLES with just the basics, without trying to emulate SPSS because they have stuffed up something that used to be quite good.
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2018 6:29 PM
Subject: PSPP CTABLES
Hi, I would like to ask if there is any progression in CTABLES implementation to PSPP. I read some threads (http://pspp-users.gnu.narkive.com/r32JwdwI/what-features-of-custom-tables-ctables-are-most-important) but they seems dead. Any suggestion?
Kind regards
Jacob
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Matthias Faeth
2018-07-25 09:50:47 UTC
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Great News - I'd long to see CTABLES in PSPP. If there is anything we can
do to assist you with this project give us a note.

For me Ronald's suggestion to opt for TABLES instead would be also alright,
if this is easier to implement.
Post by Ben Pfaff
There might be some small hope here because I've been spending a lot of
time lately working to make PSPP understand SPSS's .spv output file
format, so that it can read (and write?) it directly. Implicit in that
format is an understanding of the SPSS output model, which seems to be
entangled quite a bit with the CTABLES syntax. It might therefore lead
someday to CTABLES implementation (but not soon).
Alan Mead
2018-07-25 15:32:11 UTC
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FWIW, I'm excited that you're working on reading SPV format. I had
assumed that the implicit output model might preclude compatibility.

-Alan
Post by Ben Pfaff
There might be some small hope here because I've been spending a lot of
time lately working to make PSPP understand SPSS's .spv output file
format, so that it can read (and write?) it directly. Implicit in that
format is an understanding of the SPSS output model, which seems to be
entangled quite a bit with the CTABLES syntax. It might therefore lead
someday to CTABLES implementation (but not soon).
I asked about this a few years ago. I gather it would be difficult. Mind you, I used TABLES in SPSS in about 1990 and got to quite like it and used it a lot. So, here we are in 2018 and I use CTABLES in SPSS, and can’t get the hang of it, at least not much more than the basic usage of it. Can’t stand it. I long for the old TABLES function. Not available in SPSS. So, here’s the thing: perhaps PSPP should develop its own version of TABLES with just the basics, without trying to emulate SPSS because they have stuffed up something that used to be quite good.
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2018 6:29 PM
Subject: PSPP CTABLES
Hi, I would like to ask if there is any progression in CTABLES implementation to PSPP. I read some threads (http://pspp-users.gnu.narkive.com/r32JwdwI/what-features-of-custom-tables-ctables-are-most-important) but they seems dead. Any suggestion?
Kind regards
Jacob
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Ben Pfaff
2018-07-25 15:48:33 UTC
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I think it's likely that I'll change PSPP to use the same output model.
One reason that it differed until now is simply that it wasn't clear to
me how SPSS really modeled output. The documentation on it is pretty
muddy.

I've now got code that reads and understands most .spv files just fine.
I'm still working on reading the oldest kind of .spv files, which use a
really funny way to encode tables.
Post by Alan Mead
FWIW, I'm excited that you're working on reading SPV format. I had
assumed that the implicit output model might preclude compatibility.
-Alan
Post by Ben Pfaff
There might be some small hope here because I've been spending a lot of
time lately working to make PSPP understand SPSS's .spv output file
format, so that it can read (and write?) it directly. Implicit in that
format is an understanding of the SPSS output model, which seems to be
entangled quite a bit with the CTABLES syntax. It might therefore lead
someday to CTABLES implementation (but not soon).
I asked about this a few years ago. I gather it would be difficult. Mind you, I used TABLES in SPSS in about 1990 and got to quite like it and used it a lot. So, here we are in 2018 and I use CTABLES in SPSS, and can’t get the hang of it, at least not much more than the basic usage of it. Can’t stand it. I long for the old TABLES function. Not available in SPSS. So, here’s the thing: perhaps PSPP should develop its own version of TABLES with just the basics, without trying to emulate SPSS because they have stuffed up something that used to be quite good.
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2018 6:29 PM
Subject: PSPP CTABLES
Hi, I would like to ask if there is any progression in CTABLES implementation to PSPP. I read some threads (http://pspp-users.gnu.narkive.com/r32JwdwI/what-features-of-custom-tables-ctables-are-most-important) but they seems dead. Any suggestion?
Kind regards
Jacob
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"You're an interesting species. An interesting mix.
You're capable of such beautiful dreams, and such
horrible nightmares. You feel so lost, so cut off,
so alone, only you're not. See, in all our
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