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please join me in a prize for CTABLES
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Juan Zuluaga
2011-05-26 19:49:52 UTC
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Hello friends of PSPP,

I am sure I'm not the only one in need of CTABLES. I put US$100 (who should I send the check to?) .
Please join me in adding to this little money pot for the PSPP people to work on CTABLES.

Something that can deal with something like

CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=grade Group MAPReadingFall MAPReadingSpring GainInReading tGainInReading DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE grade [C] > Group [C]
BY MAPReadingFall [S][ count]
+ MAPReadingFall [S][ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ MAPReadingSpring [S][ MEAN F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ GainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ tGainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=grade Group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MAP scores in Reading, Fall to Spring, by group".

or

CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=group MCAMPASS DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE group [C][COUNT F40.0, ROWPCT.COUNT PCT40.1] BY MCAMPASS [C]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=MCAMPASS ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MCA Math pass rates by engagement & grade".

And if I could add something to the wishlist, it would be to design the routine in such a way that it could be reused by the R people, if possible.
Jason Stover
2011-05-27 02:19:02 UTC
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Thanks for the offer. For some time, I have been asking Free Software
Foundation to set up an account for PSPP to accept donations for
coding. I'm starting to think they'll never act on this. The other
alternative is for "us" (whoever that should be) to set up something
like a PayPal account, independently of FSF, to accept
donations. Though faster, this approach may suffer from an appearance
of illegitimacy and lack of oversight.

What do potential donors think of this idea? Set up something on our
own? Or wait, possibly forever, to hear from FSF?

-Jason
Post by Juan Zuluaga
Hello friends of PSPP,
I am sure I'm not the only one in need of CTABLES. I put US$100 (who should I send the check to?) .
Please join me in adding to this little money pot for the PSPP people to work on CTABLES.
Something that can deal with something like
CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=grade Group MAPReadingFall MAPReadingSpring GainInReading tGainInReading DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE grade [C] > Group [C]
BY MAPReadingFall [S][ count]
+ MAPReadingFall [S][ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ MAPReadingSpring [S][ MEAN F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ GainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ tGainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=grade Group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MAP scores in Reading, Fall to Spring, by group".
or
CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=group MCAMPASS DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE group [C][COUNT F40.0, ROWPCT.COUNT PCT40.1] BY MCAMPASS [C]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=MCAMPASS ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MCA Math pass rates by engagement & grade".
And if I could add something to the wishlist, it would be to design the routine in such a way that it could be reused by the R people, if possible.
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Renan Levine
2011-05-27 04:05:17 UTC
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Jason,
I think FSF or Paypal is a great idea. I teach at a university and have
limited teaching enhancement funds- or could apply for - some small
grants ($100? $1,000?) that might be able to provide small amounts of
money for people who have the programming know-how to develop some
innovations that my students would use in class (like, say, adding
multicollinearity tests to OLS regression).
Renan
Post by Jason Stover
Thanks for the offer. For some time, I have been asking Free Software
Foundation to set up an account for PSPP to accept donations for
coding. I'm starting to think they'll never act on this. The other
alternative is for "us" (whoever that should be) to set up something
like a PayPal account, independently of FSF, to accept
donations. Though faster, this approach may suffer from an appearance
of illegitimacy and lack of oversight.
What do potential donors think of this idea? Set up something on our
own? Or wait, possibly forever, to hear from FSF?
-Jason
Post by Juan Zuluaga
Hello friends of PSPP,
I am sure I'm not the only one in need of CTABLES. I put US$100 (who should I send the check to?) .
Please join me in adding to this little money pot for the PSPP people to work on CTABLES.
Something that can deal with something like
CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=grade Group MAPReadingFall MAPReadingSpring GainInReading tGainInReading DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE grade [C]> Group [C]
BY MAPReadingFall [S][ count]
+ MAPReadingFall [S][ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ MAPReadingSpring [S][ MEAN F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ GainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ tGainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=grade Group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MAP scores in Reading, Fall to Spring, by group".
or
CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=group MCAMPASS DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE group [C][COUNT F40.0, ROWPCT.COUNT PCT40.1] BY MCAMPASS [C]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=MCAMPASS ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MCA Math pass rates by engagement& grade".
And if I could add something to the wishlist, it would be to design the routine in such a way that it could be reused by the R people, if possible.
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Karel Novotny
2011-05-27 12:16:25 UTC
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You've been providing excellent voluntary support for number of years
that I followed and used the project (you and couple of your
colleagues). So, if your core team of developers feel confident that you
can administer the paypay account and retributions for specific requests
without this turning into a nightmare for you, then I suggest you go
ahead with Paypal, if FSF is not responsive.

I assume you have full trust of those whom you have been supporting for
so long.

karel
Post by Jason Stover
Thanks for the offer. For some time, I have been asking Free Software
Foundation to set up an account for PSPP to accept donations for
coding. I'm starting to think they'll never act on this. The other
alternative is for "us" (whoever that should be) to set up something
like a PayPal account, independently of FSF, to accept
donations. Though faster, this approach may suffer from an appearance
of illegitimacy and lack of oversight.
What do potential donors think of this idea? Set up something on our
own? Or wait, possibly forever, to hear from FSF?
-Jason
Post by Juan Zuluaga
Hello friends of PSPP,
I am sure I'm not the only one in need of CTABLES. I put US$100 (who should I send the check to?) .
Please join me in adding to this little money pot for the PSPP people to work on CTABLES.
Something that can deal with something like
CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=grade Group MAPReadingFall MAPReadingSpring GainInReading tGainInReading DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE grade [C] > Group [C]
BY MAPReadingFall [S][ count]
+ MAPReadingFall [S][ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ MAPReadingSpring [S][ MEAN F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ GainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ tGainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=grade Group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MAP scores in Reading, Fall to Spring, by group".
or
CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=group MCAMPASS DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE group [C][COUNT F40.0, ROWPCT.COUNT PCT40.1] BY MCAMPASS [C]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=MCAMPASS ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MCA Math pass rates by engagement & grade".
And if I could add something to the wishlist, it would be to design the routine in such a way that it could be reused by the R people, if possible.
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John Darrington
2011-05-27 14:33:46 UTC
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Well thanks for the vote of confidence!

However, it's amazing how rapidly good will can turn sour once money becomes involved.
So I'm not totally against the idea of a defacto benevonent organization, but it would
need to be reasonably carefully thought out. Issues that anyone involved in administering
funds would have to consider include:

* Administrative costs: Paypal takes a cut of everything. Also there has been so
much negative publicity surrounding Paypal recently. Alternatives like EGold an Bitcoin
might be worth considering.

* Currencies. In what currency would most donors be able to donate? and in what currency
would most recipients want their cut? Exchange fees can be quite significant for small
amounts.

* Donors to an ad hoc organisation would not be able to claim a tax refund on what they
give, unlike the situation where it was done through the FSF or simimlar charitable body.

* How many different "funds" should exist. Eg, should there be a CTABLES fund, a GLM fund,
a LOGISTIC REGRESSION fund etc. or just one general one. It the latter, then Juan might
be disappointed (or even aggrieved) if his $100 which he donated in expectation of CTABLES,
got spent on something else. On the other hand if there are too many funds, then the
money might get spread so thinly that it would be of no use.

To answer these questions, maybe somebody should put together a reasonably well thought
out online survey (to be analyesd using PSPP of course!) to discover what people want,
how much and in what form they are prepared to give in order to get it.

I'm sure there must be people on this channel who've done such surveys before, so if
you want to help please volunteer.

J'

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 02:16:25PM +0200, Karel Novotny wrote:
You've been providing excellent voluntary support for number of years
that I followed and used the project (you and couple of your
colleagues). So, if your core team of developers feel confident that you
can administer the paypay account and retributions for specific requests
without this turning into a nightmare for you, then I suggest you go
ahead with Paypal, if FSF is not responsive.

I assume you have full trust of those whom you have been supporting for
so long.

karel
Post by Jason Stover
Thanks for the offer. For some time, I have been asking Free Software
Foundation to set up an account for PSPP to accept donations for
coding. I'm starting to think they'll never act on this. The other
alternative is for "us" (whoever that should be) to set up something
like a PayPal account, independently of FSF, to accept
donations. Though faster, this approach may suffer from an appearance
of illegitimacy and lack of oversight.
What do potential donors think of this idea? Set up something on our
own? Or wait, possibly forever, to hear from FSF?
-Jason
Post by Juan Zuluaga
Hello friends of PSPP,
I am sure I'm not the only one in need of CTABLES. I put US$100 (who should I send the check to?) .
Please join me in adding to this little money pot for the PSPP people to work on CTABLES.
Something that can deal with something like
CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=grade Group MAPReadingFall MAPReadingSpring GainInReading tGainInReading DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE grade [C] > Group [C]
BY MAPReadingFall [S][ count]
+ MAPReadingFall [S][ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ MAPReadingSpring [S][ MEAN F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ GainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ tGainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=grade Group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MAP scores in Reading, Fall to Spring, by group".
or
CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=group MCAMPASS DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE group [C][COUNT F40.0, ROWPCT.COUNT PCT40.1] BY MCAMPASS [C]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=MCAMPASS ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MCA Math pass rates by engagement & grade".
And if I could add something to the wishlist, it would be to design the routine in such a way that it could be reused by the R people, if possible.
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Karel Novotny
2011-05-27 21:35:36 UTC
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Post by John Darrington
Well thanks for the vote of confidence!
However, it's amazing how rapidly good will can turn sour once money becomes involved.
So I'm not totally against the idea of a defacto benevonent organization, but it would
need to be reasonably carefully thought out. Issues that anyone involved in administering
* Administrative costs: Paypal takes a cut of everything. Also there has been so
much negative publicity surrounding Paypal recently. Alternatives like EGold an Bitcoin
might be worth considering.
Good point. PayPal is not only a skite, but it is also very
discriminatory in terms of regions where it is available. So, should
e.g. african developers join the development most of them couldn't
probably charge a penny. That would be pretty sad for an open project
like this one. Not sure how to address this but hope there is some
solution. I will try to ask around about more just payment systems.
Post by John Darrington
* Currencies. In what currency would most donors be able to donate? and in what currency
would most recipients want their cut? Exchange fees can be quite significant for small
amounts.
* Donors to an ad hoc organisation would not be able to claim a tax refund on what they
give, unlike the situation where it was done through the FSF or simimlar charitable body.
* How many different "funds" should exist. Eg, should there be a CTABLES fund, a GLM fund,
a LOGISTIC REGRESSION fund etc. or just one general one. It the latter, then Juan might
be disappointed (or even aggrieved) if his $100 which he donated in expectation of CTABLES,
got spent on something else. On the other hand if there are too many funds, then the
money might get spread so thinly that it would be of no use.
Why not employ some variation of a bounty system matching funds from
potential donors with a feature and a developer interested in developing
it? This can be certainly organized through some existing bounty tools,
but the question is whether it fits the model of development that you
want (e.g. whether it doesn't make the devel. process too messy (?).

karel
Post by John Darrington
To answer these questions, maybe somebody should put together a reasonably well thought
out online survey (to be analyesd using PSPP of course!) to discover what people want,
how much and in what form they are prepared to give in order to get it.
I'm sure there must be people on this channel who've done such surveys before, so if
you want to help please volunteer.
J'
You've been providing excellent voluntary support for number of years
that I followed and used the project (you and couple of your
colleagues). So, if your core team of developers feel confident that you
can administer the paypay account and retributions for specific requests
without this turning into a nightmare for you, then I suggest you go
ahead with Paypal, if FSF is not responsive.
I assume you have full trust of those whom you have been supporting for
so long.
karel
Post by Jason Stover
Thanks for the offer. For some time, I have been asking Free Software
Foundation to set up an account for PSPP to accept donations for
coding. I'm starting to think they'll never act on this. The other
alternative is for "us" (whoever that should be) to set up something
like a PayPal account, independently of FSF, to accept
donations. Though faster, this approach may suffer from an appearance
of illegitimacy and lack of oversight.
What do potential donors think of this idea? Set up something on our
own? Or wait, possibly forever, to hear from FSF?
-Jason
Post by Juan Zuluaga
Hello friends of PSPP,
I am sure I'm not the only one in need of CTABLES. I put US$100 (who should I send the check to?) .
Please join me in adding to this little money pot for the PSPP people to work on CTABLES.
Something that can deal with something like
CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=grade Group MAPReadingFall MAPReadingSpring GainInReading tGainInReading DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE grade [C] > Group [C]
BY MAPReadingFall [S][ count]
+ MAPReadingFall [S][ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ MAPReadingSpring [S][ MEAN F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ GainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
+ tGainInReading [s] [ mean F40.1, STDDEV PAREN40.1]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=grade Group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MAP scores in Reading, Fall to Spring, by group".
or
CTABLES
/VLABELS VARIABLES=group MCAMPASS DISPLAY=LABEL
/TABLE group [C][COUNT F40.0, ROWPCT.COUNT PCT40.1] BY MCAMPASS [C]
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=group ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/CATEGORIES VARIABLES=MCAMPASS ORDER=A KEY=VALUE EMPTY=EXCLUDE
/titles title="MCA Math pass rates by engagement & grade".
And if I could add something to the wishlist, it would be to design the routine in such a way that it could be reused by the R people, if possible.
_______________________________________________
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Jason Stover
2011-06-10 03:57:51 UTC
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Post by Jason Stover
Thanks for the offer. For some time, I have been asking Free Software
Foundation to set up an account for PSPP to accept donations for
coding. I'm starting to think they'll never act on this. The other
alternative is for "us" (whoever that should be) to set up something
like a PayPal account, independently of FSF, to accept
donations. Though faster, this approach may suffer from an appearance
of illegitimacy and lack of oversight.
What do potential donors think of this idea? Set up something on our
own? Or wait, possibly forever, to hear from FSF?
I spoke too soon: I just heard from FSF, and they plan to introduce a
program for funding coding of specific GNU projects. They expect to
have something ready in a month or so.

-Jason
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Ben Pfaff
2011-06-10 06:15:15 UTC
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Post by Jason Stover
I spoke too soon: I just heard from FSF, and they plan to introduce a
program for funding coding of specific GNU projects. They expect to
have something ready in a month or so.
That's great news! I did hope that they would come up with
something, but I never really expected it to happen.
--
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http://benpfaff.org
Juan Zuluaga
2011-06-18 19:23:11 UTC
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Excellent, please keep us posted.
Post by Jason Stover
Post by Jason Stover
I spoke too soon: I just heard from FSF, and they plan
to introduce a
Post by Jason Stover
program for funding coding of specific GNU projects.
They expect to
Post by Jason Stover
have something ready in a month or so.
That's great news!  I did hope that they would come up
with
something, but I never really expected it to happen.
--
Ben Pfaff
http://benpfaff.org
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